Question concerning the first Hobbit film (Extended Version)

[ladybug_archive]

So, has anyone here seen the extended version of the first Hobbit film? I notice that among its ratings reasons is "Fleeting Nudity", which kind of made my jaw drop. The LOTR films tried to avoid nudity, even where the books had it. (Case in point, Frodo's capture by the Orcs in Return of the King.) When that film came out, I worried how they would handle that part, and I was thoroughly satisfied that Frodo was not completely stripped naked.

So ... can anyone tell me why there's Fleeting Nudity in the extended version of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey? I'd kind of like to know what that's about before I see it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I found out. Apparently we see bare Dwarf backsides as they bathe at Rivendell. Wonderful. **sarcasm.**

Comments

[yamsteapot.livejournal.com]

I was actually just thinking about that scene in The Return of the King last week as I was having my seasonal LOTR marathon. While overall I'm fairly fine with changes and edits made, that was always one detail I was mildly disappointed in. Not because I wanted to see Frodo naked or even really purist reasons, but I felt like it lost something in the moment. The severity, plus just how traumatizing it was. The act of stripping and removing a person's clothes is always a step toward dehumanizing someone and taking away their personhood/security. It's not a big issue, but it's something I think of every time I see the scene.

I actually just bought the extended edition of the first Hobbit film, despite all my griping about it when I first saw it. (I enjoyed the second a lot more and figure I'll want the whole set. Plus I want to see some of the bonus footage as well as the fact I'm rereading the books and want to compare more closely.)

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't have minded if they had had it done, necessarily, it's just that I wouldn't have wanted to see it onscreen. They could have found a way to film it where they wouldn't have had to show anything.

And I agree about your reasoning behind wishing it hadn't been changed. Actually, I wrote a short story where a character is kidnapped and stripped for those very reasons.

There's not much additional footage in the film, actually; just 13 minutes, although from what I've heard, most of those scenes are rather interesting.

[yamsteapot.livejournal.com]

It's a very effective 13 minutes. I'm torn with what makes me happier--Kili mistaking with one of the Elf men for a woman, or the fact they added in the song for Goblin Town (which made me terribly sad it wasn't in the theatrical version). The scene with the dwarves bathing is so CGI and so far from the foreground it's almost laughable they added it in the ratings.

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the mistaking the guy for a girl scene looks hilarious from the pictures I saw. LOL. And Bilbo's reaction to the Goblin Town song.

I was grateful the bathing scene was in the distance. But wow, that was all CGI, no real people at all? Granted, I didn't look too hard when I scoped out the scene on the DVD.

(I imagine this week we'll find time to sit down and watch the film. Although I'm not sure Dad will like it, if the dinner at Bilbo's scene is as funny as it is in the book. LOL.)

[yamsteapot.livejournal.com]

It sets up Kili's fondness for the movie only character in the second film. Overall, the additions felt a lot more cohesive. (I even kind of got over the substituting orcs for goblins; still grumbly about the whole meeting with Galadriel and Sauroman in Rivendell.)

I didn't look all that closely either, but a lot of it looked CGI produced by lighting and movements. They may have had some CGI doubles working with it, as it resembled a lot of the work I saw done with Legalos' moves where the top half would be him, but his legs were CGI. So I dunno.

The dinner at Bilbo's is darling. I think it's slightly less raucous in some ways and more so than others, but it's a great book to film adaption scene.

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Awesome!

(I was thinking goblins and Orcs were supposed to be related in the general scheme of things? Unless I'm getting mixed up; I never paid much attention to any of them.)

Interesting.

The dinner scene was one of my favorites in the book. I laughed and laughed and read a lot of it to Mom. But I'm just not sure Dad will go for it. I guess we'll find out.

[yamsteapot.livejournal.com]

(Sort of related, but two separate species. They were bred together by Sauroman in order to create the Urak-hai in LOTR. In the book, goblins were the main villainy sort and orcs really didn't make any appearances. But for those who only watch the movies, it will probably make more sense to see Orcs.)

I feel like it's a more slow progression in the movie before it turns to chaos. Whereas in the book it's total chaos. It might be easier to swallow film-wise.

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

(Ahh.)

LOL. How fun. Interesting difference there!

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

(Dang inability to edit comments that have been replied to. I realized I wrote "Bilbo" in a comment up above when I should have said "Balin".)

[rose-of-pollux.livejournal.com]

Oy vey. *headdesk*

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Thankfully, it's from a distance, but still.