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Finally saw Batman Begins, which I've been wanting to do pretty much since it came out. The Dark Knight spurred me to finally do so, since I wanted to see the first film first.

And honestly? I loved it. It was darkish, but just the right level that I like it. The story and ideas expressed are largely the kind of stuff I enjoy writing. The characters and acting were awesome. Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Katie Holmes ... all excellent! Michael Caine has never been a particular favorite of mine, but he was wonderful as Alfred. And I recognized certain plot points that were used in some way in The Batman TV show.

I did regret that there wasn't more done with the Scarecrow villain; having two villains made it more difficult, I imagine, especially since the other one was the top dog. And I remember some comic fans whining about The Joker not being the first villain faced. I dunno, I like it better the way things were here. And the nod to The Joker at the end was awesome foreshadowing.

One thing I wondered was, is the time period modern or not? XD; I was confused because I thought I heard the Depression mentioned at one point. Yet things looked fairly modern. **wondering if it was ambiguous on purpose.**

Overall, awesome superhero movie. Ever since I started really showing some interest in superheroes, Batman has been my favorite. I like that his powers come from his own strength and from technology; he doesn't have to rely on superhuman stuff.

On a semi-related note, I've always been one of the few people who hasn't understood the Spiderman craze; I found the first movie extremely depressing (though the graphics were awesome). I need to watch it again now that I'm a lot older and could maybe appreciate it more, but ... **shrugs.** I'm not sure I'll ever fully get why it's been hailed as being so amazingly awesome and better than many other things. I never even have watched the sequels, either, since the first movie overall disappointed me. I'll get around to it sometime, I imagine.

I may find The Dark Knight depressing too. Dunno. I guess we'll see.

Comments

[cskazaam.livejournal.com]

**nods.** Probably. And I guess a lot of people don't worry so much over such a depressing ending. Or they figure it's part of the tragic character. XD;

**ponders.** It probably did, but I can't remember any of them. XD;

Yeah, the ending was so awful! Not only that, but I was really disappointed with the way Phoenix was portrayed.... They didn't do nearly as much as they could have, and I felt it didn't do justice to the character at all. And the way everything else happened was just so wrong and sad. ;__; **kept hoping things would turn around and was stunned that they'd just left things that way.**

Hmmm.... I think the new Superman did, now that you mention it! **needs to see it again.** And that's good about Batman Begins! ^^ The Dark Knight really had a depressing ending, though. XD;

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

**nodnod.** Yeah, superheroes really are tragic characters a lot of the time.

Ugh! It's so awful when movies are done like that. Phoenix? Is that like the Jean Grey Phoenix thing?

Yeah, it sure sounded depressing from what I read! At least there's surely going to be a third one.

[cskazaam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's the Jean Grey Phoenix. I'm used to thinking of Phoenix as mostly a separate character because of the TV series. But they never really got into that in the movie, so I'm not entirely sure what the movie idea of the Phoenix is. If I remember correctly, I think they make it look more like she loses control of her powers. ;__;

There is!? Was there supposed to be a hint in the movie about that? I can't remember if there was one. XD;;

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Poor Jean. ;___; I was kinda thinking the comics did have it that she lost control of her powers. In the TV show, was it more that Phoenix just possessed her?

Well, since WB wanted to make a whole new franchise, I can hardly believe they'd leave things like they are now. XD; There's still so many villains to choose from, too! And Robin hasn't even come yet! Though admittedly I think Batman works better alone.

[cskazaam.livejournal.com]

Hmmm.... I'm not entirely sure what went on in the comics. In the show, I think they might have had her losing control of her powers, especially in the beginning before they really learn who Phoenix is. But they definitely explored how Phoenix possessed her.... There was a whole mini arc about that. In the movie, I'm not sure they really had Phoenix being a separate entity at all.

Oh, I see. Yeah, they totally need to do some more villians! I think one of my favorites was always the Riddler. And yeah, I think Batman works better alone, too. But it would be awesome if they were able to do a really good job on Robin!

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Oooh. That sounds so intense!

I'll have to find out what was the deal in the comics. I'm not sure myself. XD;

Yeah! The Riddler was a really good one. I like his incarnation in The Batman TV show. His design there inspired me when creating Gunju. LOL.

[cskazaam.livejournal.com]

It really was! But it all ended well, at least. ^^ Unlike the movie. ;__;

XD The comics really tend to do their own thing! I tried getting into the later ones, but it really turned into such a chore.... You can't even just get one set of comics and learn the whole story of what was going on, because different parts will be featured in different lines of comics. So you'd have to buy them all. -.- And they're expensive, especially with so many! I eventually just gave up on it.

LOL. I think I remember him most from the old live-action TV series they used to have. XD The one where Robin would say things like, "Holy bananas, Batman!" LOL. I'd totally love to see him say something like that in a new movie, just once. XD

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

Waaah. ;__;

Yeah, seriously! That's how the Sonic comic is, too. It's just ... gah. So overwhelming! So many characters to keep track of, and plotlines, and so many things I don't like.... XD

**snerk.** I remember reading that the actor playing Robin always wanted to say, "Holy strawberries, Batman, we're in a jam!" and they never let him. LOL.

[cskazaam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, exactly. It gets so frustrating! Why can't they just have one comic? And leave out the things that aren't so great. XD;

LOL! That would've been priceless! Why didn't they let him? It totally would have been the best quote ever!

[insaneladybug.livejournal.com]

**nodnod.** Well, actually there is just the one Sonic comic in that verse. XD But it's gotten so confusing all on its own that I can't make sense of it. Several times I've tried to read about how things are going with the plot, and I end up more confused than before. LOL. I stopped collecting it years ago when I couldn't find it anymore, and over the years so many things happened that I didn't like and so many characters and twists were introduced that I got totally lost.

I have no idea why they didn't let him. XD They definitely should have!

[cskazaam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's how the X-men comics were, too, except for there being several comics. XD The plot and characters were so confusing, especially when you had to go between different comics to get everything. And the stories are so dark now! Not exactly a happy read. XD;